How is winning pitcher decided

That is a good observation. This 2nd batter then comes around to score the winning run. The specific wording for the rule is in I understand the pitcher is responsible for the number of men he has on base when is leave the game mid-inning — but how about this:. Sorry for delay. I missed this question previously. You charge the run and therefore the loss to the pitcher who let the winning run on base.

Workman let a baserunner Molina on who was put out. Even though it was Koji who let on Allen who ended up scoring, the run is charged to Workman due to the comment after rule When a pitcher puts runners on base and is relieved, such pitcher shall be charged with all runs subsequently scored up to and including the number of runners such pitcher left on base when such pitcher left the game, unless such runners are put out without action by the batter.

Scre was in favor of the visiting team after two outs nobody on. The home team put one man on catcher dropped a fly ball in fair territory next a single , a home run, a home run. In the top of the 3rd visitors score 9 runs. Relief pitched next two innings visitors won Relief pitcher.

A starter needs to pitch at least 5 innings or 4 if games only lasts 5 to be eligible for win. China is adopting Marxist capitalism. Even Cuba is questioning the eternal truth of Marx. That is why North Korea is so poor. Marxism leads to famine. Marxism leads to famine, communism leads to famine and socialism leads to famine. Only capitalism prevents widespread famine that is inevitable in the other systems.

However, we are trending towards socialism, a utopian dream of the Left, which will result in ruin if we continue on this path. Reliever comes in and finishes the game, which ends in the bottom of the 6th via the run rule.

Yes… actually, starter would have had to last 5 to be eligible for win. Situation — pitcher starts game, two men get on base. He comes out of the game after getting 1 out because of injury. Reliever gets spanked. The two runners the first pitcher was responsible for scored. If the score had been but we never took the lead, the first pitcher would have gotten the loss, correct? If we had taken the lead but eventually lost, the loss would have been on the pitcher of record at the time the other team took the lead.

All correct. Starter gets loss as long as team never regains lead or ties. If the team does catch up, then loss for pitcher of record at time lead is lost.

Robertson blew the save before Jeter won the game in the bottom of the 9th. The scorer has no choice in this particular situation. If a reliever was ineffective, but was the pitcher of record when his team took the lead, the scorer CAN give the win to a different pitcher… but it has to be to a subsequent relief pitcher.

He cannot give it to a pitcher who pitched prior to the team getting the lead which it did not relinquish. This sounds too bizarre, and unjust, to be correct. Or does the last pitcher, the pitcher the pinch hitter came in for, get the win? This sounds much more likely. The Giants took the lead in the top of the 4th and Affeldt who pitched from the middle of the 2nd inning through the end of the 4th should have been credited the win according to the way I read the scoring rules.

You are correct. A couple of hours after the game, MLB corrected the scoring. He was the relief pitcher when Giants got the lead. Bumgarner obviously historic performance is sentimental favorite to get the win. But what is the rule that gives him the win?

MLB has fixed the scoring of it, and given Affledt the win, and Bumgarner the save. I talk about it here You are correct. I am trying to make sure I understand this rule.

If Affledt entered the game with the Giants already up i. Yes exactly. So, if a home town pitcher has a lead, hurts his arm with two strikes on leadoff batter, is removed for a reliever who throws one pitch, strikes out leadoff batter and is subsequently removed also, would he actually get credit for a win?

Assuming you meant the visiting pitcher, pitching in the bottom of the inning with a lead. In that case, the reliever who just had a brief appearance would get the win. Another reason why pitcher won-lost records are fairly useless.

Bumgarber got credit for the save. I presume had he given up a run in the ninth that would have been a blown save. What if he gave up a run earlier than the ninth — e. Is that also considered a blown save? I thought I knew most of the rules. I like when these issues come up to get me thinking. Of course, had Bumganer given up 3 runs in the 5th but finished the inning, and the Giants had then scored 3 runs in the sixth, and a new pitcher Giants come in the 6th, THEN the scorers could have applied This happens even when everybody knows that the pitcher is not going to stick around for the save e.

The rules have not changed since It is a save situation, even in the 6th inning. If a reliever comes into the game with a lead in the 6th, and pitches to the end of the game, they get a save. It depends. Starting pitcher HS goes three complete and score is home team. Coach uses four 4 more pitchers at one inning each.

Game ends with score If all relievers were equally effective, I would be tempted to give it to the first one who came into the game. Is it possible for a finished game not to have a winning or losing pitcher of record?

The pitcher strikes out the batter, but the ball gets past the catcher and the batter gets on first base. During the next batter, the runner on first tries to steal second base, and the catchers throw to second base sails out into center field. The runner gets up and heads for third, and the throw from the centerfielder gets past the third baseman and the runner easily scores. Does this pitcher still get the loss despite the swinging strike 3 passed ball, and two throwing errors? If not, is there even a winning pitcher of record either.

There is always a winning and losing pitcher. In your example, the pitcher who pitched the 9th would be the losing pitcher, even though he did not give up any earned runs. The winning pitcher is whomever was pitching in the top of the 9th.

An away H. Closer pitcher in now warming up, Starter is done with 14 pitches past his total allowable pitch count. Visitors gain 3 runs in the top of 7th. Game over Which pitcher get the W here?

The starter. Even though he left the game with the score tied at , in reality he was only officially replaced by the closer in the bottom of the 7th once his team already had the lead. Give him the W, give the closer the save. K Rod has 6 save appearances but a record of …. And yes my Brewers were stinkin it up before they fired Roenicke. In a save appearance, the pitcher can get a loss. KRod does have 2 this year, one on April 8th when he came in to a tie game in the 10th inning, and gave up a home run and took the loss, the other on April 22nd , when he came in to a tie game in the 9th, and also gave up a run.

Note, that neither of these situations were save situations, as the game was tied when he entered the game. Although if the Brewers had been winning by a run and he gave up 2, it would have been a save situation, and he would be charged with both a blown save and a loss. The losing pitcher is the one who left the game when his team was losing, and is team never regained the lead.

Say the starting pitcher gives up a run and leaves trailing after 6 innings. In the 7th the bullpen gives up 9 more runs. In the 8th and 9th inning, his team scores 7 times and they lose The starting pitcher who only gave up 1 run is charged with the loss, as he left the game when his team was trailing. In the Cubs game, Arieta gave up 6 runs, and left trailing The cubs went to lose and since they never tied or took the lead, Arieta gets charged with the loss.

Unearned run. As far as losses go, earned vs unearned runs make no difference. If a pitcher only gives up 1 unearned run, but the team loses , he is still charged with the loss. As far as WHO gets the loss, if the starter let the go ahead run on base, and the reliever lets him score, it is the starter that gets the loss. I score for a summer collegiate league. In the bottom of the 5th the starter gets into trouble, and is relieved.

When that half inning is finally over the home team has scored 6. This is the only inning in which the home team scored. The visitors continue to add runs in later innings but lose Does the starter get the loss because he gave up the 2nd run and gave the home team a lead they did not relinquish? Does the reliever get the loss because he allowed the 6th run, the number needed to surpass the visitors efforts at regaining any lead? Do you see where my confusion is, or am I overthinking it?

The home team definitely needed those 6 runs to win, but when they scored their 2nd run, they had a lead that they never gave up. The starter gets the loss, as he left the game while losing, and the other team never relinquished the lead.

Why did Miller get the loss in the July 30 yankee-rangers game when he gave up the walk-off hit but was not charged with the losing run? This is an excellent question. I see some different boxscores on different sites. On baseball reference it shows Miller charged with an earned run, but strangely it shows Goody with the actual run.

This is also impossible. You cannot be charged with an earned run but not the actual run. If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the Official Scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher.

Volquez entered the game with a two-run lead and a runner on first, so the tying run was at the plate. He got out of the inning. Apparently the official scorer deemed him worthy of the win based upon that comment and him not allowing the tying run to score. He gave up a single before getting one out, though. Allowing a. Out of the six Rangers who pitched, four were more effective, but Volquez got the win. This is just another in an excessively long line of examples of how amazingly dumb this stat is.

It's called a "win" for an individual player in a team sport and yet, the following could happen:. Now explain to me with a straight face that after seeing the Rangers example from Tuesday night and hypothetical I just laid out how you'd use W-L record as a primary indicator of how to judge pitchers.

You simply can't do it. And yet, people still look at W-L and judge pitchers off of it. Fortunately we've grown from back when that was the only stat considered in Cy Young voting, but we still aren't home. Legions of players, fans and media still look at it as if it matters. The good news is should give us an impetus to change this ridiculous rule. This season, many starting pitchers haven't been stretched out enough to get deep into the games and it's due to the circumstances of how this season has been played out.

Starters are averaging less than five innings per start, through Tuesday 4. Further, in the era of the opener and bullpen games, it's possible the most effective pitcher threw the first three innings. The solution is pretty simple to me. If we're going to continue to pretend a team stat is assigned to an individual pitcher, give the win to the pitcher who, in the discretion of the official scorer, did the most to contribute to the team victory. The player who bats first in his half of an ….

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